Going green sure pays off doesn't it?

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Energy-efficient traffic lights can't melt snow

By DINESH RAMDE (AP) ? 19 hours ago

MILWAUKEE ? Cities around the country that have installed energy-efficient traffic lights are discovering a hazardous downside: The bulbs don't burn hot enough to melt snow and can become crusted over in a storm ? a problem blamed for dozens of accidents and at least one death.

"I've never had to put up with this in the past," said Duane Kassens, a driver from West Bend who got into a fender-bender recently because he couldn't see the lights. "The police officer told me the new lights weren't melting the snow. How is that safe?"

Many communities have switched to LED bulbs in their traffic lights because they use 90 percent less energy than the old incandescent variety, last far longer and save money. Their great advantage is also their drawback: They do not waste energy by producing heat.

Authorities in several states are testing possible solutions, including installing weather shields, adding heating elements like those used in airport runway lights, or coating the lights with water-repellent substances.

Short of some kind of technological fix, "as far as I'm aware, all that can be done is to have crews clean off the snow by hand," said Green Bay, Wis., police Lt. Jim Runge. "It's a bit labor-intensive."

In St. Paul, Minn., for example, city crews use air compressors to blow snow and ice off blocked lights.

Some communities began installing cool-burning LEDs more than a decade ago, and it wasn't long before drivers started complaining about the problem.

Illinois authorities said that during a storm in April, 34-year-old Lisa Richter could see she had a green light and began making a left turn. A driver coming from the opposite direction did not realize the stoplight was obscured by snow and plowed into Richter's vehicle, killing her.

"Would the accident have occurred if the lights had been clear? I would be willing to bet not," Oswego police Detective Rob Sherwood said.

Authorities said dozens of similar collisions have been reported in other cold-weather states, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Not every storm causes snow to stick to the lights, but when the wind is right and the snow is wet, drivers should beware, said Gary Fox, a traffic engineer for the city of Des Moines, Iowa.

Exactly how much a technological fix will cost is unclear, but it will surely cut into the savings and the energy efficiency many cities are enjoying.

Wisconsin, which has put LED bulbs at hundreds of intersections, saves about $750,000 per year in energy costs, said Dave Vieth of the state Transportation Department. LEDs installed seven years ago are still burning, while most incandescent bulbs have to be replaced every 12 to 18 months, he said.

"With LEDs we have energy savings in excess of 80 percent, and we don't have to have crews replacing them as often," Vieth said. "So it's clear the overall savings are pretty significant."

In Minnesota, where authorities have upgraded hundreds of traffic lights to LEDs, the Transportation Department occasionally gets reports of an obstructed light. But by the time a highway crew arrives, the wind has often knocked out the snow and ice, said traffic systems specialist Jerry Kotzenmacher. Minnesota is experimenting with weather shields.

One reason there have been so few deaths is that drivers know they should treat a traffic signal with obstructed lights as a stop sign, traffic experts say.

"It's the same as if the power is out," said Dave Hansen, a traffic engineer with the Green Bay Department of Public Works. "If there's any question, you err on the side of caution."
 
durnzuki said:
I wonder how much those "NEW IMPROVED" lights cost the city?? ;D

Considering they saved one community nearly a million dollars in one year, I'd say it was worth it.

You know what else is ridiculous? When the power goes out, all the traffic lights quit working! How many accidents are caused by that every year? Huh?  ::)

So because one or two days out of the year, conditions are just right to blur stoplights, and drivers are too stupid to do what they're supposed to do if the lights are obscured, then this one's the fault of the environmentalists? Get real. There's plenty of things we can blame them for, but this is just another case of a non-news story getting national coverage. But I guess it's more interesting than real news.
 
One or two days a year lol. That is funny as hell, there are months here those lights would be froze over.

Several bucket trucks running around town at 3 mpg and 2 men per truck on overtime working 24/7 all winter would eat into the savings here.

If we travel at night and its snowing we have to stop at least once an hour to scrape off the headlights and tail lights.


Notice that the areas mentioned in the article are above the Mason dixon line. It is a big deal there.
 
I rank that right up there with buying a new car for better fuel milage.  You have to factor in the cost of the new bulbs since LED's cost more than a regular bulb, the cost of fixing them now since they didnt reserch correctly about the weather conditions and the safety since they arnt as visable.  I am all for saving money, but If you have to spend 1 million to sane 700,000 it aint saving.
 
Simple solution.......Before winter comes switch out the LED bulbs for incandescents  and change them back when spring comes.  Still get energy savings all summer long and I am sure sending a couple crews out to change out bulbs twice a year is better than having a crew to keep the ice off from them all winter. 

They will get longer life out of all of the bulbs, inspect every light twice a year and prevent the accidents as well.  Sounds good to me.......

Mike
 
It's not that easy The LED Stoplamps are completely different fixtures, It is not just a simple case of screw out, screw in.
 
Heating elements would completely negate the cost saved by using the LEDs *IF* run all the time, but if they had thermostatically controlled devices set to monitor the temperature of the lens and turn on the heating element, that would help save money. Not difficult at all, you can buy a thermostat contoller for any receptacle for about $15 retail, I use to use them in my pump house to turn on a 100w light bulb, I still use it to turn on a bulb in my goat's house to keep her warm when loveofjazz isn't around... I mean, when it gets cold.
 

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