Hydrogen Fuel Cell

[rockrat]

Dont be a sheeples.... There are many things that work now, that went against supposed Physics in the past.. The reason it is being considered cons is the government... Does not want you to try. And I leave with this.. If My Yukon gets 10mpg and after makeing this system and installing it I get 17mpg am I defiying Physics.. You can qoute BS web posted critiques all day but HAVE you tried it.. Chances are the Nay sayers have not and are ok with getting screwed by the Oils company.

BTW Do you know where BROWN is nobody else does. Do you know the other 2 guys Meyers included Were both Found DEAD in there homes from Mysteriuos Food poisoning.

[Jeremiah]

Sounds like snake-oil sales tactics to me. None of it is evidence this technology working as advertised. Because it's been established for several decades this technology doesn't work - the burden of proof lays on the people trying to say the laws of physics don't apply here.

HHO is something high school kids learn in chem class - it's all over youtube. A device can be made to generate & ignite HHO in your kitchen in about 10 min. If you believe you can get 70% gains from this $50 device, a little water & baking soda (salt? I forget) - go for it. I don't think the black helicopters are out to get anyone. It's not that hard to make & hook up. Could probably be done in a weekend once all the parts are gathered up. Please don't blow yourself up... learn about HHO and it's hazards before playing with it.

It's easy to fab up, so why aren't more people doing it? Why aren't the Dyno numbers out there? Where's the "check out the new miracle product" demonstrations?

[GravtyKlz]

I'm seriously considering doing this.  Would it be a good idea to use water removal fuel additives in the gas tank with this kind of system?

[Indy]

Sounds like snake-oil sales tactics to me. None of it is evidence this technology working as advertised. Because it's been established for several decades this technology doesn't work - the burden of proof lays on the people trying to say the laws of physics don't apply here.

HHO is something high school kids learn in chem class - it's all over youtube. A device can be made to generate & ignite HHO in your kitchen in about 10 min. If you believe you can get 70% gains from this $50 device, a little water & baking soda (salt? I forget) - go for it. I don't think the black helicopters are out to get anyone. It's not that hard to make & hook up. Could probably be done in a weekend once all the parts are gathered up. Please don't blow yourself up... learn about HHO and it's hazards before playing with it.

It's easy to fab up, so why aren't more people doing it? Why aren't the Dyno numbers out there? Where's the "check out the new miracle product" demonstrations?

And where are the 5 second drop in 1/4 mile times?  Seeing as I've heard of a friend of a friends's cousins dad getting 50% better economy on HHO, there must be a similar correlation to HP produced with full fuel mix+HHO.  So home-brew drag racers should all be running it if it gives an extra 50% HP for $50.

And to the guy above, you only draw gas from device no water.  And if you suck a little water in the additive wouldn't have time to do anything before hitting the combustion chamber.  A little water while the engine is running wouldn't damage anything anyway, and it will clean some carbon from the cylinders in the process.

 

[sukikid]

Yeah I made one for a science project this year at school. Made some bubbles, blew some coke bottles up, and wasted a lot of gas driving around. The thing reduced my gas mileage. What a load of crap. Still fun doing it though and got me an A in chemisty

[R/T]

I have another electronics tech in my class that has done this set up on a 454. His gas mileage is quite a bit better. He's making a few changes and doing some tests. I'll get a real report in a couple weeks and have some real world data.

[ZUKIMON]

Any new data Roy?

[kelcrist]

i was checking into this a great deal  before i got my samurai as i have 460 ford that needs all the help it can get.      the bottom line is  the technology (if youd call it that) can work.     BUT   there are a great deal of variables to take into account.

as i see it, and im no phycisist................    it depends greatly on what your putting the system on and what your design is.        some guys are reporting good results and some are very mediocre. also as stated here in this thread.......some dont see any results at all.  there are many devices out there claiming to improve milage. everything from the condensator to the vortex.    im sure they may work better on some vehicles than others.

my advice is do your research,  compare the designs that are out there.  there are quite a few sites with people selling complete systems.

if you ask me, which no one did..........   this is the sort of thing our country needs.  people in the garage trying to make a change.   its how we got our cars, bikes, computers, etc etc in the first place.       

 GOOD LUCK!!!!

[87samurai]

What do you guys think of this?? my dad showed it to me, im not sure if i beilieve it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Solar-Panels-3-HHO-Generators-RUN-YOUR-CAR-ON-WATER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem290274683825QQitemZ290274683825QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[ZUKIMON]

What do you guys think of this?? my dad showed it to me, im not sure if i beilieve it.

Well, without elaborating on the matter, simply spell check what he wrote about the setup. That alone tells me that it isn't worth the parts it's made out of.   I'd almost bet my paycheck that you could purchase what is there individually for about 1/3 of the asking price. It's also kind of shody work from where I sit.

[knunns]

I did this to my car using a whirlpool filter 9 stainless steel plates and stainless steel bolts, wires..watever at first it worked running it into my vacuum lines but soon my computer took it back over. Ive heard in a carburated motor it would work better. After spending the entire summer doing research and building about 30 of these things for people it seems that it doesnt get as much of an increase as most people say without some other costly equipment not the ebay knockoff's. Having done it all before i would say it was a great learning process but i would rather not put that much money for an extra 5 or so. I guess it all comes down to how much research you put into it and the value of your time.

If anybody wants to try.. ive got a fuel sell that draws 20 amps and creates about 2 liter of hho in 2 minutes. pay hipping and 20 bucks for the material and its yours. try it for yourself lol

[kelcrist]

if you look at the little box with the adjuster on that ebay listing that is what  a fuel infected car needs for the hydrogen generator to work.  you have to fool the oxygen sensor because the gas you are introducing makes the o2 sensor read lean and you know what happens from there.    like you said.........it can be a lot of work for 3-4 mpg.    this is why some cars may respond better to this than others.     like i said...........lots of variables.     i dont see how one unit could be marketed for the many many configurations of engines, computers and fuel systems.     

[knunns]

yep exactly. I ran that computer and it didnt work out Its a good principle just not ready to be produced

[Jeremiah]

I finally saw a system that makes sense:
A guy's using solar energy to split the H2O into HHO. He hold this gas in tanks that fuel his house & vehicle. Because you're not dealing with the energy loss of making the HHO "on board" from the vehicles engine / electrical system, it's not a net loss! The tanks he's using look like propane tanks, and have cost him a LOT of money. He's hoping he can develop a commercial system soon.

[Indy]

What's he using to compress the gas?