Hydrogen Fuel Cell

[ArtByScars]

So I'm on this mission of learning about creating a hydrogen fuel cell- one glass jar can power you 400+ miles simply on "water".

I've been scouring the internet, but have yet to find any how-to's...  salt water, hydrogen peroxide, and some power from your battery... this is one of those things the government really wants to keep people out of, especially since they killed the man who invented it.

anyone interested in this?
look it up

[ddement]

I have looked into it some but quickly realized it is pretty much a dead end unless you are bill gates.

 To get the hydrogen from water you have to have an anode which is usually made from aluminum and it doesn't last long. You would probably go through several pounds a week and it needs to be pretty good quality which is not cheap in billet form.

BMW has done more research on this than any other carmaker and they had a lot of trouble getting the car to run on pure hydrogen gas for a couple of reasons.
 1. The hydrogen turns to water when burnt and the resulting moisture seized up rings valves etc. unless driven every couple of hours unless stainless or titanium valves, rings, valve springs etc. are used.

2 They had to design special rings because the gas would seep past them and build up in the crankcase and after 3 to 5 minutes= BOOM! toasted and ventilated block. They still haven't worked out all the bugs and they have spent millions on it.

Right now there is no economically feasible way to make hydrogen. You either have to use lots of electricity, anode material etc. to get it from water or you have to burn large amounts of natural gas to get the gas along with needing specialized expensive compressors to compress it.

[ArtByScars]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

that's worth a watch

I'm just really into the idea- since it's not an impossibility. There's lots of videos of home made hydrogen fuel cells- engines, lawn mowers, torches, etc running on "water".. "HHO"

I'm no scientist, but with enough people putting their heads together- this is not out of reach, but is likely to get squashed online.

it's interesting

[ddement]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

that's worth a watch

I'm just really into the idea- since it's not an impossibility. There's lots of videos of home made hydrogen fuel cells- engines, lawn mowers, torches, etc running on "water".. "HHO"

I'm no scientist, but with enough people putting their heads together- this is not out of reach, but is likely to get squashed online.

it's interesting

 It is interesting but he still needs the radio wave generator to release the hydrogen and from the size of it I would say it isn't cheap and probably uses a good bit of electricity which would negate the cheap energy part.

[dabomb5756]

this is one of those things the government really wants to keep people out of, especially since they killed the man who invented it.

The government killed the man who invented renewable energy using h2o as a source?

[grm]

The government killed the man who invented renewable energy using h2o as a source?

prove it, if not retract your comment.

[HUMZUKI]

Yea I read somewhere that it needs WAY more power than it could produce so its worthless in a vehicle.

I also read somewhere that the deal with the Hydrogen,,,,,you use it as an additive. You create hydrogen when you do this

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,77341.0.html


So if you start up the process could turn on with ignition and you could contained it and feed it into your engine and cut back on the gas.....I GUESS. I dont like the idea of having such a flammable gas under the hood. EXPLODING sucks

[grm]

Yea I read somewhere that it needs WAY more power than it could produce so its worthless in a vehicle.

I also read somewhere that the deal with the Hydrogen,,,,,you use it as an additive. You create hydrogen when you do this

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,77341.0.html


So if you start up the process could turn on with ignition and you could contained it and feed it into your engine and cut back on the gas.....I GUESS. I dont like the idea of having such a flammable gas under the hood. EXPLODING sucks

you only use 15% of power from gas thats 85% loss

its only explosive if compressed, less dangerous than gas

[grm]

here check this out, you will see its not as expensive as you think. and it works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofsxZfu9rW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT9yYM-IiIo&feature=related

[HUMZUKI]

here check this out, you will see its not as expensive as you think. and it works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofsxZfu9rW0

No I meant the salt water fuel with that radio wave emitter thing the guy made. Thats not hydrogen. Like I said when I used electrolysis  to remove rust from me header thats exactly what I was making as a by product...hydrogen. AS soon as you turn on the juice you can see it bubbling up

[bazza413]

Check this site out, a lot of useful information http://www.micro-vett.it/H2/ing/Hydrogen.html as the cost of fuel is so high over here gas about $10 / gallon and derv about a buck higher some companies are really looking into this being a viable option. We have their electric vehicles in the UK for city use and I think once they have sorted all the issues this system will take of if the big auto companies let it.

[ZUKIMON]

prove it, if not retract your comment.

His was not a statement, rather a question to the statement made by the poster. Go back and re-read the first post and then you will need to retract your comment.


Just thought that I would bring this back to the top as I and a friend, are planning on trying this out. We are thinking of starting it as soon as this weekend.

[Jeremiah]

Snake oil.

I've studied HHO / brown's gas, and if you do a little digging, you'll find out this is defeated by the laws of thermo-dynamics.
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-technical-discussion/47181-electrolysis-hho-intake-charge.html

Guys like this are quick to point out it's a "conspiracy theory" from OPEC:
http://www.tranism.com/weblog/2006/06/hho_power_hybri.html

But reality is it just doesn't work. It's been proven time and time again.

Many people have tried before us, and they've all failed. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but a couple guys got arrested / chased out of town for trying to get investors in this - knowing FULL well it was snake oil BS. They'd show a prototype that "worked"... but they'd forget to mention they were drawing more power from the battery than the charging system could keep up with. They'd do short runs, or use large battery banks in their prototypes to go long-range. But, in the end, it still takes energy to create energy, so those batteries got depleted, and the cars would stop.

Trust me - I wanted it to be true... but it just isn't. You can't make "free" energy from nothing. What we do with gas engines is "release" the energy stored in gas. HHO / Brown's gas needs to be created, then released - the creation process (if 100% efficient) takes as much energy as is given back by exploding the gas. Problem is, the conversion / explosion process isn't even 100% efficient... so you're actually LOOSING MPG or killing the battery over the long haul.

That said - the HHO process is a GREAT way to take rust off of parts... but do it out in the open as to not catch things on fire 

[Jeremiah]

Okay, I got a little un-lazy. Stanley Meyer is probably the most well-known HHO guy 'cause of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgOn1kRw5s&feature=related

Really, do a little research into chemistry, and it will back everything stated here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell

[grm]

His was not a statement, rather a question to the statement made by the poster. Go back and re-read the first post and then you will need to retract your comment.


Just thought that I would bring this back to the top as I and a friend, are planning on trying this out. We are thinking of starting it as soon as this weekend.

you know you are right, i am sorry. i guess i should have read it closer, its been a while since the post but at the time i was trying to make hydrogen and was able to get it to work ( which i did ) it is intended to be a supplement not a total replacement. yes it does take energy to make as stated above but so does gas, it is a good and fairly safe way to help to improve your gas mileage. my problem is that there are people on this site and others that think it is impossible to get something to run on water, i think they just talk and don't do any research on the subject, i guess they have never seen city buses running on hydrogen. again thanks for bringing up my mistake. grm