"Trail Slayer" Sidekick/Tracker/X-90 Straight Axle Coil Spring Conversion Kit

[NC Zuk]

Trail Tough is proud to introduce the
"Trail Slayer"
Sidekick/Tracker/X-90 Straight Axle Coil Spring Conversion Kit

Turn your Sidekick / Tracker into a serious off-road machine!   
40” of articulation and it handles better than a stock Track/Kick on the highway!!   
We hate to admit it but these rigs are out-peforming the even the “bad boy” Samurai’s. 
This kit takes advantage of the superior strength of Toyota axles and the
current aftermarket compenents readily available for them.
With this setup your Sidekick, Tracker, or X-90 becomes an extremely durable, reliable TRAIL SLAYER!!!

Price $2795.00

Check www.trailtough.com soon for more information

**Actual Toyota Axle assemblies NOT included

Trail Tough Products
1-877-789-8547
www.trailtough.com

[ghost]

  me likey

[Uncivilized]

Now that's impressive 

[crikeymike]

Looks like a whole lot of bolting up, and not too much welding.

It looks like a really nicely put together kit.  I wonder what the labor time is.

[NC Zuk]

I would bet that it could be installed in a weekend if you already had the axles ready to go. There is still a good bit of welding required on the axles to mount the control arms, coil buckets, and shock mounts. I think it looks like a high quality setup though. Very nice!

[Whitfield]

WoW!  That is awesome...  The wait is over.         Wooo HOOO

Way to go Brent!

Now for the beginning of the 1 million questions....

1.  Drive shafts?  Stock? 
     Rat adapters? 
     What about the slip yokes, Slip yoke eliminators?   Not necessary?

2.  The Hi steering is a nice addition.  How do the stock pump and box hold up?  Would one need to modify or change the pump or add a cooler to the stock system.

3.  Is the top bar in the picture above the links a Pan Hard / Trac bar?   

4.  Axles, I like the Toyotas.  I'm running them with stock 4.11 gears in the Sammy buggy with 12:1 @ t-case.  Anyway to offer a similarly priced Big Suzanna DIYS front using an extra rear Kick 3rd and the stock kick rear axle...  I'm sure this idea has been considered over at TT and end result might be more expensive. 

5.  I'm still struggling to over come the high range road gearing hurdle.   Gearing a Kick to push 35's down the Hwy has been difficult.   (Kick High Range T-case is 1:1 unlike the Sammy)

[poorboy]

Wonder what the ride height is?
What size tires can i run without any trimming or rubbing?


Wish it was cheaper but seems to have a good price.

[tech]

i second the shaft-sye question?

spring rates?

its cheaper than i thought it would be. very nice.

shipping would be alot.

[chucky]

so will there be a LWB version

[whateverworks]

Ya like he said LWB Version going to be available?
Kelly

[mikeb]

i would bet it uses a SYE.  i know trail tough makes them cause i bought them and used them on my track.  when i got them he told me it was a prototype.  mikeb

[poorboy]

i have put it on my wishlist.

 Wonder if ill get it for christmas?!

[locjaw]

well the green rig is mine and it is a kick [censored] machine. Trail Tough has made a winner(as always) as far as the slip yoak, the lower arms on both the front and back are mounted on the same verticle plane as the output of the transfer case. this allowes about 1/2 to 3/4 " in and out movement as the axle travels thru its cycle. beleive me, it was a concern for me(the only one) but i have had the rig on the RTI ramp and in ditches and i have never seen it slip more than 1/2 " out.
every time i take it wheeling i'm more amazed at how awesome the suspension works. when crossing a ditch 3'wide x 3' deep the body roll is sooooo minimal, it is rediculous. i came from a sammy w/ yj's to this, and i had to lern how to drive all over.
if you have any questions feel free to ask me. or call the man, brent.
jason

P.S. a guy a couple town away is in the process of putting this kit under a X90. i think he gonna have to cut the fenderwells a little though

[Whitfield]

well the green rig is mine and it is a kick [censored] machine. Trail Tough has made a winner(as always) as far as the slip yoak, the lower arms on both the front and back are mounted on the same verticle plane as the output of the transfer case. this allowes about 1/2 to 3/4 " in and out movement as the axle travels thru its cycle. beleive me, it was a concern for me(the only one) but i have had the rig on the RTI ramp and in ditches and i have never seen it slip more than 1/2 " out.
every time i take it wheeling i'm more amazed at how awesome the suspension works. when crossing a ditch 3'wide x 3' deep the body roll is sooooo minimal, it is rediculous. i came from a sammy w/ yj's to this, and i had to lern how to drive all over.
if you have any questions feel free to ask me. or call the man, brent.
jason

P.S. a guy a couple town away is in the process of putting this kit under a X90. i think he gonna have to cut the fenderwells a little though

What tire size are you running?  What is your current gearing in the Yota axles?

[Tim]

i think hes got a 33 1250 15 mtr

[locjaw]

well, when i did the conversion, i opted to go with the 5.29's aginst brents advice. well it wasnt enough gear to turn the 33-12.5 MTR's. it is tore apart awaiting the ring and pinions to be set up. i'm going to the 5.71's. should have listened to him, but i was scared of the weakness of the 5.71's. i'll let you know how it drives next sunday. jason

[tech]

i'm running 5.71s in mine with 35's, love it.

weak 5.71s=webwheeler myth....maybe i should call mythbusters

[bmp]

looks cool   lets see some action photos 

[locjaw]

looks cool   lets see some action photos 

noone ever takes pics of me, i dont know why?
i'll try to get some next weekend
jason

[mikeb]

mine has 5.71 with 36s and does fine. really good in low and kinda slow in high but i didnt build it to drag race. mikeb

[suzota]

i have the 4.88's in mine, but i do have the twin tcase set up.

it is a bit slow on the road though.

oh and i am running 37's

[crikeymike]

So i was thinking about the design for the 4-door models of this kit.  I guess it would either require a longer central cross member for all the links to attach to, or 2 different cross members to make up for the difference in length.  Not that i'll be doing it anytime soon, but let's hope they do come up with the 4-door kit.

[trailturd]

So i was thinking about the design for the 4-door models of this kit.  I guess it would either require a longer central cross member for all the links to attach to, or 2 different cross members to make up for the difference in length.  Not that i'll be doing it anytime soon, but let's hope they do come up with the 4-door kit.

I am guessing they will just do longer links.  Everything eles would remain the same.

[poorboy]

Wonder if you have to use yoda axles or if you could use other axles

[tech]

they made it to fit yota axles, but you could make others work w/ some fab.

needs to have a pass side drop.

[poorboy]

they made it to fit yota axles, but you could make others work w/ some fab.

needs to have a pass side drop.

i knew that i was just wondering if any other axles would work with this kit

[Trail Tough]

4 door kits are available now also - just finished this SK today with the SAS kit.  Price for the 4 door kit is the same as the 2 door kit - just longer control arms

[crikeymike]

Are those 31's or 33's on that 4-door?  that flex looks bigger than the 2 door for some reason.  Maybe it's the angle?

[Trail Tough]

Here is a shot of another "Trail Slayer" kit just installed on an X-90.....

[Whitfield]

And thus the next generation of Suzuki rock carwlers were born

Any word on an XL-7 platform yet?

[suzota]

That looks awsome.

just way out of my price range at the mo.

unless you want to send me one free for uk promotion. lol

[tech]

the x-90 is sweet! it just looks so wrong but soooooo right

[RockMolester]

i'm running 5.71s in mine with 35's, love it.

weak 5.71s=webwheeler myth....maybe i should call mythbusters

I'll second that.
First, 5.71 isn't that much lower than the 5.12 that comes in Sidekicks right from the factory.
Second, Toyota diffs are a full step bigger and stronger than Suzuki diffs.
Third, 5.71's ARE NOT necessarily weaker than taller ratios.  Read this:
http://gearinstalls.com/410suck.htm

[blacknight]

And thus the next generation of Suzuki rock carwlers were born

Any word on an XL-7 platform yet?

WOW you must of been reading my mind. 

[scwafish]

Awesome kit Brent.  I have looking for something like this for a LONG time.

[tech]

its funny how everyone here thinks this kit is great, and everyone at pirate4x4 hates it. it is a really nice, well designed kit even for the pirate a-holes.

[ronin]

Here is a shot of another "Trail Slayer" kit just installed on an X-90.....

Nice.  Can't wait til I can get one for mine.

BTW, what are the tire/wheel specs on that X? How much fender cutting was done?

[SamiFlyer]

4 door kits are available now also - just finished this SK today with the SAS kit.  Price for the 4 door kit is the same as the 2 door kit - just longer control arms

What is the diameter and wall thickness of the links?


Sean 

[scwafish]

its funny how everyone here thinks this kit is great, and everyone at pirate4x4 hates it.

Not really true, there is one vocal idiot over there that hates it.  The rest of us were waiting for details.  Glad to find a few more here.

[SamiFlyer]

Not really true, there is one vocal idiot over there that hates it.  The rest of us were waiting for details.  Glad to find a few more here.

X2.  I'm TOUGHGUY over there. I was one of the ones supporting it. I'll admit, Pirate has its share of buttholes, but one does not make "everyone". 

Now about the size of those links, anybody?

Sean 

[kerrywittig]

Great product Brent.............very nicely done. Also this may help move a few more SOS RingR Tranny adapters............excellent!!  Kerry

[aftermarket4x4]

That does look like a nice kit    ...........now the Tracker just needs a seriously upgraded 2.0 Liter powerplant:

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,50175.0.html


Sean  DeVinney

[VA88ZUK]

That brings the Track/Kick/X's to a whole nother level....


Beautifully done Brent

[SamiFlyer]

What size are the links?


Sean

[Hustler]

What size are the links?


Sean

why dont you ask this 27 more times.  jesus.

id take a guess and say 1.5"x.250" wall

[Trail Tough]

You have to realize that we dont have time to watch all of these BBS boards all of the time. We only look at them after work, at home.  If you want a quick answer to something, you really need to call us directly - it is toll free - during business hours.  Brent hates email and only does tech by phone.  However, the upper control arms are 1 1/3 diameter 3/16 wall.  The Lowers are 1 3/8 diameter 1/4 wall.  For any further tech info you really should call Brent directly. You will get answers MUCH quicker!!! 

[SamiFlyer]

You have to realize that we dont have time to watch all of these BBS boards all of the time. We only look at them after work, at home.  If you want a quick answer to something, you really need to call us directly - it is toll free - during business hours.  Brent hates email and only does tech by phone.  However, the upper control arms are 1 1/3 diameter 3/16 wall.  The Lowers are 1 3/8 diameter 1/4 wall.  For any further tech info you really should call Brent directly. You will get answers MUCH quicker!!! 

Thanks.


Sean 

[chucky]

so the max tires size for this kit is 33s

ok 35s could fit

[Uncivilized]

ok 35s could fit

[jtaj77]

What is the newest model this will fit?

[wezzlegod]

the people at pirate4x4 dont like this kit because thay are scared of it making the jeeps look bad.

[Trail Tough]

What is the newest model this will fit?

1994 to 1998 Sidekick/Tracker/X90

[Reaney in NH]

Great product Brent.............very nicely done. Also this may help move a few more SOS RingR Tranny adapters............excellent!!  Kerry

    Ok... What is a SOS RingR Tranny adapters? I just crawled out from under a rock.
    Reaney in NH

[NC Zuk]

    Ok... What is a SOS RingR Tranny adapters? I just crawled out from under a rock.
    Reaney in NH

SOS, owned by Kerry Wittig, has teamed up with Rock 4x Fabrication to produce the RingR and Lucky 13. These are adapters that allow you to mate Toy transfer cases to Suzuki Power plants as well as adapt 1.6 transmissions up to 1.3 Sammi motors. Click on the products section at www.rock4xfabrication.com for more details

[sukibogger]

1994 to 1998 Sidekick/Tracker/X90

Holy crap the whole reason I was going to buy a tracker ws becuase of this kit. The track is a 93', is there a difference?

[Joe S.]

i'm sure this has been answered, but the kit will work on 89-98 trackkicks...

and they have a 4 door and a 2 door versions as well.

[Fredo]

If one day, the kit is produced for the second generation platform...

I WILL BOUGHT IT!

My 2002 GV just wait for that!

[Joe S.]

when i was shopping for a truck, i called and talked to brent and asked if he had any plans to build one for the Gvs, cause i wanted one of those bad! he said he didnt because of the width and strength of the frame prevented toyota axles from being used (he uses the stock frame side coil buckets) and steering issues because the GVs are rack and pinion... i would have much rather had one, but because the kit wasnt available i went ahead and got my 96 tracker. im not into fabbing my own stuff (dont have welding skills), so a kit was a must, and a solid axle conversion was the only way i was going to buy a tracker.

[Whitfield]

The Kit looks like it could be adapted, but the techincal stuff would be up to you. 

I have an 02 GV XL-7 and dirty thouhts.

A true bolt on kit for a later modle would be more complex, more $$$  and probally sell less #'s.  = not profitable to sell.

[ha-y-n89]

heres some pics of my friends one here on Kaua'i, only one in hawaii









hes really tempting me to buy a kick and do the kit

[Joe S.]

what size tires is he running? that looks a lot like mine!

[t0nKaTrAcKeR]

what size tires is he running? that looks a lot like mine!

thats what I was thinking, 'cept he still has all of his trim 

[Joe S.]

Well yeah true...

[aftermarket4x4]

what size tires is he running? that looks a lot like mine!

35 Boggers

Sean

[waiukea boi]

Wassup folks yep thats my Tracker that hayn89 posted. I dont know how to post pictures on here. Hey Sean and BrentI think I figured the problem out. Its my darn distributor harness that was stretching. I will try it on the sand tommorrow and let you folks know. Other than that thanks for all the comments and feedback. Aloha

[ha-y-n89]

Wassup folks yep thats my Tracker that hayn89 posted. I dont know how to post pictures on here. Hey Sean and BrentI think I figured the problem out. Its my darn distributor harness that was stretching. I will try it on the sand tommorrow and let you folks know. Other than that thanks for all the comments and feedback. Aloha

howzit J,

mean your on the ZU too, no mind me ah posting those pics of your ride, just wanted to show the meanest kick in the islands! i decided to keep my sami and fix it, upgrade it, and make it better and cleaner than it is now, got plans to start all of that this weekend...its been too long!

and whats that about your ddstributor harness?

[waiukea boi]

No worries Chase. Thanks for posting those pict. cause I dont know how. Gotta learn how !!!!. What you mean you going startem this weekend we all going ramble Powerline on Saturday with some of the Oahu boys. Yep the Tracker runnin like a champ (STOKED) I even pulled one guy out today behind marine camp on the sand after one guy had try pullem with his S10 and almost got stuck himself. Shoots

[ha-y-n89]

No worries Chase. Thanks for posting those pict. cause I dont know how. Gotta learn how !!!!. What you mean you going startem this weekend we all going ramble Powerline on Saturday with some of the Oahu boys. Yep the Tracker runnin like a champ (STOKED) I even pulled one guy out today behind marine camp on the sand after one guy had try pullem with his S10 and almost got stuck himself. Shoots

i wish i could start workin on it already but my chicks dad cant help me until this weekend, i still wanna come up there and ramble wit u guys but i dont know who to ride with so i gotta see about dat, fricka i had pass u yesterday in puhi...all jealous when i seen how mean that thing look! i bet that thing makes sand look like the road

[littlered]

 [approve]Two  very big thumbs up to a awesome kit there  guys ,..cant wait  to get my hands on one 

[waiukea boi]

Heres a couple more pictures of my Trail Slayer tracker now that I know how to post pictures !!!!!



And if you clik the image (Make it full size) and then click properties and paste the URL into the IMG tag then you get big pictures...   MW

[viper]

What about street handling? I sold my samurai and bouht a clean 4 door kick, but I also want to drive it to work also. How does it handle on the street?

[zukitough]

why cant this kit be cheaper? would love to have it but dang a lift for any other vehicle is half the price. i bet if the kit was half price, then they would sell a ton more

[Joe S.]

Mine handles as good or better than stock

[zukitough]

why cant this kit be cheaper? would love to have it but dang a lift for any other vehicle is half the price. i bet if the kit was half price, then they would sell a ton more

not to mention since a 4 door already has 5.125 gearing and to switch over to toy axles would have to get lower gears and probably a kicker3 or get rid of the kick case altogether and go sammy case, drive shafts etc. looks like a complete build: $3000(lift and s&H) + $1000 (kicker3) + $300 (driveshafts) + $1000 (built toy axels) $1000 (wheels and tires) + ? = $6000 plus for a 4 door lifted sidekick/tracker. i just cant justify putting that kind of cash on a vehicle that is worth less than the lift.

[viper]

It is all what you want to do with the vehicle. Also if you can weld and have some injunuity you can put toyota's on a side kick for around  $2000 including the axles.

[Whitfield]

It is all what you want to do with the vehicle. Also if you can weld and have some injunuity you can put toyota's on a side kick for around  $2000 including the axles.

Agreed..

I can find the extra $$$ yet either, BUT it is nice to see a modern design Coil Kit for the masses. 

Looking great  waiukea boi .  What gearing are you running?

[Joe S.]

If you get a deal on your axles maybe. I have 2k in my axles alone

[projecttractor]

heres some pics of my friends one here on Kaua'i, only one in hawaii



hes really tempting me to buy a kick and do the kit

what are the backspacing on those rims. what make, and where can i find them, i am in the process of gathering all my yota parts (not sure if i will do homemade 3link/4link, or all on yj leaf springs)

[waiukea boi]

I love my Trail Slayer kit. It rides better than stock and flexes 5 times better. I will post pictures of mines with the 38 boggers that I put on it now. I am running 5.71 but I am waiting for Brent to come out with that reduction box 

[zukitough]

I love my Trail Slayer kit. It rides better than stock and flexes 5 times better. I will post pictures of mines with the 38 boggers that I put on it now. I am running 5.71 but I am waiting for Brent to come out with that reduction box 

do u have a kicker3? or dual cases? my truck is a dog with 30's and stock gears

[Jeff@TheQuadShop]

Any word on a kit for the Grand Vitara's?

[Jeremiah]

I am running 5.71 but I am waiting for Brent to come out with that reduction box 

Dual cases (Tracker to Samurai) will give you the same reduction, is available now, gives 2x more final-drive options (Hi-Hi, Hi-Low, Low-Hi, Low-Low), eliminates the slip yoke (so you can drive home of FWD if rear is broken), strengthens the t-case by making it a married setup, and costs the same as what Trail Tough will be charging.

[Joe S.]

That is true jeremiah, but this is a great option for someone without fab skills or access to someone with fabskills. Add that and a slip yoke eliminator kit and you're good to go! And you can keep that round cross member behind the tracker tcase...

[Jeremiah]

Are there fab skills needed for the Rock Rat or OTT doubler adapter? I thought he did all the work, and it was just a bolt-on thing from there? I've been wrong before 

[Joe S.]

I mean to mount it to the kick frame

[Jeremiah]

What needs to be done to mount it to the kick frame?

[Joe S.]

I would say you have to mod the mounts to be similar to sami mounts

[BoostAddict]

I would so by this kit hands down!!  Very awesome. BUT its about a grand over what I would try to convince the wife on. LoL. I was hoping to see 2k on the tag, just about to get income tax back and that would be a sick present to myself!
 I am most likey gonna end up with a leaf spring setup because I have the needed fab skills and its cheaper. 

Looks SICK though