homemade m/l's using cheerekee Shackels...POST UP PLEASE!!!

[86badboy]

for those that have done this before, POST UP!!!

first off i have searched...but wasnt impressed with the results, so here i am-

gonna give the m/l's a shot... i got some stock cheerekee shackels laying around that i will use...also, i want my rig to stay at the same ride hieght if possible...

so...i am curiouse...

1- Does it matter whether the cheekee shackel goes on top or bottom...?

2- so what should the estimated length of the other shackel be?

3- will i  need a stopper to limit upper travel...how do these work- plate welded to the end of the frame?

[Orionn]

Stock springs or YJ's?

Jimmyr and I are currently putting this together for his...... he is using YJ's.

Your first two questions will depend on what spring you will use.

Number 3, you will need something regardless, becouse of the nature of the stock spring mount (outboard of the rail)  Depending on the spring length, depends on how big. You may be able to bottom out against the bumper bottom, thats what were going to do.

We are looking at using stock YJ shackles (they are cheaper and more plentifull here) with stock Zuki shackles in the stock location.
We have not been able to work on it though for a week or so, we'll probably get back to it next week.

Sorry, not much info.

[n0lan]

there is a HOWTO on the ORC board:

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Nolan

[86badboy]

thanks...im planning on using stock springs

[skyhiranger]

I think you will need to at least use stock rear springs up front, otherwise when you add MLs the shackle angle will be wrong.

[eruby]

I think you will need to at least use stock rear springs up front, otherwise when you add MLs the shackle angle will be wrong.

looks like the springs are stock fronts in the pic from the link nolan provided. that's an old post - wonder if it's still going strong.

[skyhiranger]

looks like the springs are stock fronts in the pic from the link nolan provided. that's an old post - wonder if it's still going strong.

My guess is going to be that they are stock rear springs (or at least the main leaf is from the rear pack).  But I've been known to be wrong before...

[86badboy]

if i have to i will use rear springs...but i think ive heard of people running the stock fronts

[eruby]

if i have to i will use rear springs...but i think ive heard of people running the stock fronts

let us know.

[Lizooki]

I have built  the ones from the ORC bbs and have been runnig them for 2 years with no problems. I am running RUF and I made bumpstops to stop the uptravel and control ride height. I built them just like the ORC MLs.


Matt

[Jbird]

looks like the springs are stock fronts in the pic from the link nolan provided. that's an old post - wonder if it's still going strong.

That's my Zuk (and hand) in those pics from the ORC board.

Yes I'm still running the same set-up. No they are not stock front springs. They are hybrid packs. (Rear main leaf with some CJ leafs)

You can't run missing links in the front with-out running longer springs. Rear springs are 3 inches longer than stock fronts. The "missing-link" fills in that 3 inches. Make sense?

[durnzuki]

  Here's mine with RUF.  Not very good pictures.  I will post more this weekend.

[86badboy]

That's my Zuk (and hand) in those pics from the ORC board.

Yes I'm still running the same set-up. No they are not stock front springs. They are hybrid packs. (Rear main leaf with some CJ leafs)

You can't run missing links in the front with-out running longer springs. Rear springs are 3 inches longer than stock fronts. The "missing-link" fills in that 3 inches. Make sense?

Jbird... so which end is the cheerekee shackel on, top or bottom?  

and what is the estimated length of the other shackle...

how does that work with the center pin...does it move the axle forward at all

[Jbird]

Jbird... so which end is the cheerekee shackel on, top or bottom?  

and what is the estimated length of the other shackle...

how does that work with the center pin...does it move the axle forward at all

The cherokee shackle is the top one, the horizontal one

The length of the other (vertical) shackle is completely up to you. I've seen people run stock length and I've seen 2 inch longer used.

Yes your axle will be moved almost 1.5 inches forward when you run the rear springs in the stock frame mounts. Longer wheelbase is a good thing. If you're running bigger tires it also gives you more room at the back of the wheel well. If you don't want your axle moved forward then you'll need to re-drill new holes for the centering pin in your perches and plates.

[86badboy]

awsome...exactly what i wanted

this next one may sound newb...but i try

will moving the front axle forward 1.5" by using rear springs cause any problems with my steering?  -im SKy's DragLINk over the top-(tierod remained the same)

[Jbird]

awsome...exactly what i wanted

this next one may sound newb...but i try

will moving the front axle forward 1.5" by using rear springs cause any problems with my steering?  -im SKy's DragLINk over the top-(tierod remained the same)

 If you were still running a stock set-up, sometimes the drag link can get bound up if the axle gets moved to far forward. But with your set-up you should be fine.

Just remember to check and make sure your brake lines will be long enough with the added flex. And you will probably need a front drive-shaft spacer or a thicker one if you already have one.

[Orionn]

I should have added to m post.....were using YJ's on Jimmy's rig with relocation plates to help.
Going to mount bumpstops for the M/L's on the bumper and make it possable to pin them closed as well.

[neil_04]

i think im might try to make these

[86badboy]

ok...so ive started out by taking the overloads out of the rear set of stock springs i have,  then i added the third leaf down from a pair of stock fronts

with out the other leaf from the front pack, they seemed to soft and flimsy

tell me what you think...too many leafs

[skyhiranger]

I am running a 5 leaf RUF pack on mine.  I do have a heavy bumper and winch mounted on front too.
I used the military wrap (the one under the main leaf) spring from the front pack (the centering pin hole will have to be redrilled) as well as one other (I think the next one down), and removed the overload from the rear pack I moved up front.

[86badboy]

I am running a 5 leaf RUF pack on mine.  I do have a heavy bumper and winch mounted on front too.
I used the military wrap (the one under the main leaf) spring from the front pack (the centering pin hole will have to be redrilled) as well as one other (I think the next one down), and removed the overload from the rear pack I moved up front.

a 5 pack!!!

i would think that would be stiff

[skyhiranger]

a 5 pack!!!

i would think that would be stiff

No, it really isn't.  Samurai springs are really pretty soft (I guess, because they are only 2 inches wide and the leafs are thin).  And remember, I have probably 100lbs of extra weight hanging off the front (winch and heavy steel bumper).  Even with the 5 pack, the springs still have very little positive arch to them, when sitting on level ground.
Before I lowered my bumpstops, I could put the springs into a negative arch without trying too hard.

[86badboy]

i think ill try what i got then see how i like er

im positive my brakelines will be lng enough, but im second guessing my shocks

[Strange]

would there be anything wrong with mounting the cherokee shackle on the spring instead of frame mount?

[goober]

im running a 4 leaf ruf on the front with a shrock bumper,  i also am running the stock rear leaves out back, and i still sit nose high.   once i add a winch it will sit level. 

[zucruisers]

im running a 4 leaf ruf on the front with a shrock bumper,  i also am running the stock rear leaves out back, and i still sit nose high.   once i add a winch it will sit level. 

....if you'd wheel your rig a few times it would sit level...then add a winch and it will sit nose down

i run 5 leaf ruf and they're completely flat at ride height

[86badboy]

....if you'd wheel your rig a few times it would sit level...then add a winch and it will sit nose down

i run 5 leaf ruf and they're completely flat at ride height

BURN!

[Strange]

just put together my cherokee ml on my yj's and they do there job, but since the dropping part is so short dose it actually help noticibly, i like how its short for stability, but is that little droop worth it?

[86badboy]

if it keeps me that far from rolling