a shame (sham) i can edit my old posts. really but here is an update. (long sorry, but covers most myths and the silly guessing of ecu nums)
with help and links , i ended it for ever, (post the files ) dah?
hit or miss
, you just dont have the right PDF. i'ts all there if you just look,,,
and you never asked, all you did was speculate that its unknown, IT IS NOT!
myth 2: i cant find it, and was posted. 2 times. now 3 by me.
That's what i thought. But I didn't see any even the 95 listing with 70EA0. And I'm assuming that bottom letters US MT is for USA manual trans. Do the numbers have to be a perfect match? I can't even find a listing anywhere even A-1 Cardone that has my numbers.
yes. mostly read on....
A-1 DOEST NOT LIST THEM all,
because they cant FIX THEM ALL. ever try fixing some 95'" but call them and ask if they will fix yours?
they sometimes dont have repaired cores, (suzuki's are underdogs and parts are rare) so dont list the rare ECUs. but they do say
they can fix some, but that takes, asking......
some of the chips inside, are NOT MADE or sold.
so to fix them (eg custom mitsubishi 95 power reg) you must rip one off another dead ECU. (say its burned up ,for example )
but if that ECU is rare (it is) then how are you going to do that? no man can crap chips. you need a source. so dont use ECU repair
centers as center of information, due to these facts. ( but the hits you see are mostly correct , sure)
if you think suzuki are common, check out the production figures, (minuscule to the extreme) (zero down south ,most are up north) whats left.
good questions, all, sure they count, but that depends on who's looking... you, me, your smog tester or worse the California, new smog visual inspector (yes new, and is a Nazi !)
does this matter, these numbers, sure ! all ! read on.
but each number has a meaning and a purpose. some are just sub-assembly part numbers. or circuit board numbers. (inside)
btw the last digit , in 70AE0 can be revisions or can be TARGET smog application (country or just for California ) Calif is treated as a separate country. (as does NY and a few other states, )
PR of Calif.? that is the best name... IMO
(in the fiche dead center too) last post above asked , so i answer in details.
the ufiche (micro films sheets, for you young folks) shows. for above # (and 100% all the parts in car !)
base 95 model, for 95 with MT , 4valves(means 16v in suz parlance) 2 door and 4 door, its listed in both places and never as Calif ECU,
sorry cant mix valves. no way , no how. next?
the Cal. ecu is diffr..the cal ecu is different for AT , doors and 4wd. (the Calif ecu will go nuts in a fed body or the reverse, can elaborate. later..)
See my new link below, my buddy gave me space... go ahead and steal them , after all, the Italy JOKER! that stole my site already did, so have at em.. "welcome to it" I took my site down. makes me sick others cashing in , on my work, but, that is life.
making fiche copies is not easy,,,,, i did it. (cant now,but could)
if you use the AT puter , it will run in a MT, and may need mods to fool the park input to the ECU. ask? (idle goes nuts, the idle controller valve)
as you may not know the TCC puts a totally different load on the motor in drive, than any MT in neutral , so that has ISSUES. (can be solved)
if you mix bodies, 2 for 4 or 4 to 2 doors, the load factors changes and the MT i dont think any driver will ever notice the load factors being off.
im sure. I cant. I ran a AT in a mT car for 1 year, it got 29mpg and ran perfect. 91 year. uSA. (fuel tables and the like are tiny bit diffr)
but the load factors in the ROM are different as is the 2wd . (calif has more)
in the AT, the 4wd mode blocks AT lockup.."safety" so that too is has issues. if using wrong AT puter. in a 4wd. or 2wd.
when posting, give specific examples. like
what happens when i mix this ecu with this car, (spec out car, like motor , 8v,16v,4wd, doors, etc) and state the wrong ecu attempted.
give full sticker data.or just post the ECU pn and just ask, what applications?
the inside of the ecu there is this long P/N with the ROM version, Ive seen the wrong board in the wrong case.
P/N = Part number, PCB means printed circuit board. ROM means, Read only memory (the processors instructions and fuel tables) or MAPS.
the case ROM number must match the PCB long number suffix or someone swapped the guts of your ECU. sorry, but stuff happens. be alert.
my buddy ,gave me open browser here. grab it and put it on the Ack fact pages... link them using HTML only links.
ECU part-numbers VERBATIM from SUZUKI. (if the codes dont make sense to you ask , it is commented by me)http://ac-vw.com/ECU-Kicks/
btw all these posts for what i found is just more chaos. why do that...? showing wrong ecu in wrong car. to what end does that help.?
better , look it up.? no fiche, no pdf like above. ?
better, ask what yours fits. it's in the book,?
my guess, is nobody but me has fiche? is that it? tell me.? I got mine in 5min off ebay, i do that for all old cars. and motorcycles. day 1 then FSM.
ok now to stomp out the myths
only the p/n suffixc counts
, that is just not true , posting that myth is bad.
all the numbers count, if you dont understand them ,then by all means ask.
here is the truth, but changes to more complex truths by county , newer cars, and options.
AT/MT ( cant run mt in a AT , no way) but in 3sp it will shift but lockup fails. in 4sp, no way.
valves. (2 radically different injections systems ) and SPORTS too are radically diffr.. 3 kinds USA, in Europe 8 kinds. deal with it.
door counts (load factors) (mostly not important unless calif inspector looks)
2wd and 4wd. (if you have a 4wd AT with a 2wd ECU , the TCC lock up will go quite nuts) and the reverse. and with MT in the AT car, the TCC lock will be quite dead.
smog regions. (vast differences.)
calif or not calif called 48/49 state or cal car. 2 different ECU some cars, some configs. depends on year
case in point.
the Calif body has a unique harness,and a unique EGR. (the thermistor is sensed, and yes, i know how to fool it)
If you put a wrong ecu in the cal body, it will either set the CEL forever or punish you with limphome, (varies by year but this bull starts in 1993)
if you put a cal ecu in a US FED body, it too, will be mad at you and may not work very good.
at the least CEL is on for ever code 51 ( many show horrid MPG , 15mpg is common)
or that and limphome punishments.
The reason 51 can be so bad (depends on mix) is that the FED and Calif ARB thinks HC (wasted fuel) is the lesser of the 2 enemies.
NOX and HC, so the mindless simple logic, EGR bad, means high NOX , go to limphome now..
that is the truth, took long hard work to find it , in the EPA logs.
solution. (down grade ECU, fix ECU , get right ECU or fix EGR)
this is all off top of head. IIRC. but that is the basics on ECU. hope this helps someone.
no man knows the smog variances in total, no one. (retried suzuki guy?) there is one guy here on this forum that can tell you the
Mitsubishi number decodes. (to a small extent but can)
there are over 50 smog zones world wide. and is encoded in the PN and or the ROM Numbers..
but this "US" marked tags. on the sticker limits that... if US tagged, and the main PN matches the FICHE, then it is the right number.
more.. sorry for long post, but dont want to get my edits cut, I wanted this info in 1 spot. long but extensive.... sorry.
if in canada, the old years, are 3 kinds of kicks. SOLD. or allowed to be registered.?
1: real canada. (maple leaf sticker on engine bay fire wall is my first clue)
2: usa cars (vin shows that) as does its market.
3: gray market. (from any country)
in 1998 canada, went to OBD2, (usa 1996)
all USA perspectives, YMMV or your ecu may vary. ask.
Happy trails !
NOOB stuff.. see it posted so....
the OBD2 ecu cars and OBD1 cars ECU are not swappable.
not even close. (assumes you didnt swap everything else.) huge list........
the sticker is on the top
remove ECU the see the sticker?
sure the screws suck but get them out with a motorcycle case screw slam hammer driver
the kickem to the crub and put in fresh 6mm hex nuts, end stuck for ever.
the top of the ecu has a water shield dont lose it, water can leak in window seals above, and wreck a good ecu.
do not touch the circuits. or pins. use and antistatic strap (ESD methods , google it)
ah 1 last comment.
all connectors on the car are locked, never (noob) just yank on them (any car really) look and depress the lock then gently wiggle.
the ECU conns ARE LOCKED.. HINT @!
i just hate to see you do that. sorry if too late.